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David Toppin

USA
3802 Posts

Posted - 03/19/2008 :  22:07:55  Show Profile  Send David Toppin a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote




If you have a Pierce bicycle and it is not too much bother could you send me the serial number? It would also be great if you had pictures you could send and a note on the model, which may be under the main nametag or on a decal somewhere on the bike. Make of saddle would be helpful too. I'm trying to figure out ages stuff on the Pierces. Serial numbers tend to be right below the saddle on the vertical tube or on the rear (right I think) dropout. A flashlight is very helpful, sometimes they are difficult to read. Thanks in advance for your help.

I have posted some catalog scans here:

http://s99.photobucket.com/albums/l313/pelletman/Catalogs/

Edited by - David Toppin on 03/19/2008 22:22:25

Will Cress

Ireland
7 Posts

Posted - 03/29/2015 :  08:07:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Did you ever fig out the serial number system with these bikes.... i have a 1904 or later based on the Springer fork having shackles. The serial number is 135320 - it is a chained dual suspension model


Edited by - Will Cress on 03/29/2015 08:10:35
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Richard Smith

USA
135 Posts

Posted - 03/31/2015 :  17:16:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi David:
The Pierce factory records are available. I believe the owner of the Buffalo Transportation Museum has the records. He will provide information only to members of the Pierce Arrow Club.
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LORNE SHIELDS

Canada
329 Posts

Posted - 04/01/2015 :  10:31:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I act an adviser and assistant librarian for the THE BUFFALO TRANSPORTATION PIERCE ARROW MUSEUM.

The museum does not have the Pierce factory records and consequently is not able to give advice on the Serial Numbers.

www.pierce-arrow.com


We do have some great antique bicycles, an early Columbia H.T.S. tricycle and early G. N. Pierce & E. R. Thomas Motorcycles. We would love to have you all drop by and visit.

Best wishes to all.

Lorne Shields

Edited by - LORNE SHIELDS on 04/02/2015 04:34:40
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Carey Williams

856 Posts

Posted - 04/01/2015 :  11:20:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello Pierce people ...lets get out the flash lights and check out serial numbers to get a better handle on just how many ( and when) Pierce bicycles were made .

Here is a link to the Pierce society with some information regarding the nameplate changes ... pre 1918 Buffalo .......1918 -1940 Angola

http://www.pierce-arrow.org/history/history7.php

Here are some photos of # 165509
Just guessing when Pierce was bought out by Emblem ..a different serial number sequence began ..?

Let's help solve one of life's great mystery's...

The wonderful Pierce Automobile museum in Buffalo ...
please see link

http://www.pierce-arrow.com/

does NOT have a magic book with serial numbers...

however they are planning to open a Buffalo area bicycle display ( combined collections of the museum's and select pieces from the Pedaling History Museum) next year ... up dates to follow .

Cheers Carey







Edited by - Carey Williams on 04/04/2015 09:35:33
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Richard Smith

USA
135 Posts

Posted - 04/01/2015 :  14:22:08  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It is to bad that the information that I was told 20 years ago was incorrect.

Here is information on the three Pierce bicycles that I have. None of these or any of the others that I have owned have had a model number.

This chain drive is number 86133. I believe it is as found, It has a Kirkpatick safety seat, 1901 side path badge and a morrow rear coaster hub. Could it be a 1900 or 1901?
I believe the Kirkpatick safety seat was first offer in 1900.


I also have two cushion frame shaft drives.
The lowest number is 87605. It has a New Departure coaster brake with a cast brake arm. I believe it is the earliest version of the coaster brake. This may help date the bike. It also has larger tubing.

The second shaft drive is number 106877. It is in storage and I will look at it to see how it differs from the lower number.


Edited by - Richard Smith on 04/01/2015 14:24:05
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David Toppin

USA
3802 Posts

Posted - 04/01/2015 :  18:47:21  Show Profile  Send David Toppin a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
I think the numbers are sequential but don't really know anything. Here are some numbers I have collected and some date guesses. At this point I do not know why I guessed what I guessed. Usually my guesses are somewhat educated

Special Man's c1898 55972
Racer Man's 60292
Man's c1900 165302

Men's 86133
Chainless Men's 87605
Chainless Men's 106877
Chainless 135320
Special Racer Man's 165509

Edited by - David Toppin on 04/01/2015 18:54:27
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indianbicycle

USA
39 Posts

Posted - 04/03/2015 :  18:22:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi David! Here is the info on my Pierce bicycles:

Racer #170381
Badge is Pierce Cycle Co., Buffalo

Ladies Chainless #96665
Cushion frame, Spring forks w/shackles, Pierce New Departure coaster brake, Christy saddle
Badge: The Geo. N. Pierce Co., Buffalo

Men's Chainless #76088
Cushion frame, spring forks (no shackles), New Departure/P&F Corbin coaster brake, Christy saddle
Badge: The Geo. N. Pierce Co., Buffalo

Jeff Powell
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David Toppin

USA
3802 Posts

Posted - 04/03/2015 :  18:28:30  Show Profile  Send David Toppin a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks Jeff! Somebody knows when Geo N Pierce became Pierce Cycle Co so that may give us a bit of help
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Carey Williams

856 Posts

Posted - 04/03/2015 :  21:56:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello Pierce people
Cushion frame with leaf spring 1898-1902
1898 seamless joints on all models prior years visible joints
1906 Pierce Cycle Co is formed nameplate change
1918 Emblem buys Pierce Cycle assets ... Name plates now change to Angola production continues to 1940

Pierce people we need original machines with model numbers
Model numbers are decals on sloping tube near head.
Chainless production starts 1900
Front spring fork starts 1902
Cheers Carey

Edited by - Carey Williams on 04/04/2015 09:34:31
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Carey Williams

856 Posts

Posted - 04/04/2015 :  09:32:17  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hello Pierce people

Here are a few more graphics to run the timeline of the Pierce cycle line



1892 Queen City line bicycles



1901 catalog cover the original



1902 things got springy up front



1915 springs and chainless still on the menu



1920 the move to Angola ... the chainless and suspension are gone ... in the truss and bent tube ..so Pierce would be just like the rest of the boys ...


1936 Tired and true .... marketing at the youth with none of the chrome and balloons the kids want ..the end is near .


Please run to your Pierce room with flashlight , pen , and paper and write down serial #'s and model numbers ...so we can assemble a production time line .

Cheers Carey
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Mike Cates

USA
1811 Posts

Posted - 04/04/2015 :  10:19:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Dave,
Can you call me?
Mike Cates
(760) 473-6201
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Will Cress

Ireland
7 Posts

Posted - 04/23/2015 :  14:37:59  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Is the Pierce outline on this thread of any use... Now that I see a 1902 cat with a spring fork with shackles - maybe some of the info is misleading - including my own. check out both pages. My bike is a Cushion Frame Chain Model - The Serial number in this one is located by the seat stem and is 135320. Guessing it is a buffalo model too ( up to 1907 ) but again I could be very wrong with this assumption. I think mine is a 1903 / 4 .....

Pierce serial numbers

Here is what we have so far.

55972 Special Man's c1898 - Collected by Dave Toppin
57365 Special Model 344 Chain driven cushion ( Flat Spring by Crank ) - Shawn - believed to be 1901/2Ö.the cabe
60292 Racer Manís - Collected by Dave Toppin
61758 ( stamped on Seat tube ) Tom ( Tommydale1950) The cabe
76088 Menís Chainless - ( Jeff Powell ) Cushion frame, spring forks (no shackles), New Departure/P&F Corbin coaster brake, Christy saddleBadge: The Geo. N. Pierce Co., Buffalo
86133 Cushion Chain Driven - Thought to be 1901 ( Richard Smith )
87605 Cushion Shaft Drive ( Richard Smith )
96665 Ladies Chainless ( Jeff Powell ) Cushion frame, Spring forks w/shackles, Pierce New Departure coaster brake, Christy saddle
Badge: The Geo. N. Pierce Co., Buffalo
106877 Cushion Shaft Drive ( Richard Smith )
106877 Chainless Menís - collected by David Toppin - Again not sure if he is referring to Richards bike
135320 Cushion Chain driven model - believed to be a 1903/4? ( Will Cress ) Stamped on Seat tube
135320 Chainless - collected by David ToppinÖNot sure if he is referring to Willís or if this is another Model?
152026 Chain Driven - LuxLow Stamped on Dropout
165302 Man's c1900 Ö.collected by David Toppin
165509 - Model 110 Special Racer ( Carey Williams ) stamped on dropout
165509 Special Racer Manís ..Collected by David Toppin - not sure if he is referring to Careyís bike
170381 Racer Badge is Pierce Cycle Co., Buffalo ( Jeff Powell )
185513 ( stamped on drop out ) Tom ( Tommydale1950) The cabe



http://thecabe.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?71403-Pierce-1903-1904&highlight=pierce





Edited by - Will Cress on 04/26/2015 15:33:10
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Will Cress

Ireland
7 Posts

Posted - 11/14/2015 :  07:21:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Awww I see the spring fork picture with shackles is from 1915 rather than 1902..... I was not looking at the sequence of the pictures correctly in the thread. So we will still go with the shackle fork info to help define pre/post 1904
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Rob Horwitz

USA
40 Posts

Posted - 11/15/2015 :  19:36:55  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I have a Pierce chain cushion spring model number 13956. Hope this helps.
Rob
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Will Cress

Ireland
7 Posts

Posted - 06/21/2016 :  10:14:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Updated serial number version

Updated 21-06-2016 .... I'll try and consolidate all numbers to this thread.

XXXX Special Man's - No Serial No's ( need to check rear dropout ) Not on BB, Not Lugged, Chained, Nickel fork - ( Cabe owner ) The cabe...Pictured below ( 1890's? )
13956 Pierce chain cushion - Rob Horwitz...the Wheelman
55972 Special Man's c1898 - Collected by Dave Toppin
58877 ( Stamped on seat post ) Rear steering Tandem ( dfa242 ) The Cabe
57365 Special Model 344 Chain driven cushion ( Flat Spring by Crank ) - Shawn - believed to be 1901/2Ö.the cabe
60292 Racer Manís - Collected by Dave Toppin
61758 ( stamped on Seat tube ) Tom ( Tommydale1950) The cabe
63456 ( stamped on Seat tube ) Special Racer - riveted below badge( corbettclassics ) The Cabe
76088 Menís Chainless - ( Jeff Powell ) Cushion frame, spring forks (no shackles), New Departure/P&F Corbin coaster brake, Christy saddleBadge: The Geo. N. Pierce Co., Buffalo
77092 Special Racer - Nickel Plated
85410 Men's Chainless - Hygienic Cushion frame - No springer fork ( Mikeymike ) the Cabe
86133 Cushion Chain Driven - Thought to be 1901 ( Richard Smith )
87605 Cushion Shaft Drive ( Richard Smith )
96665 Ladies Chainless ( Jeff Powell ) Cushion frame, Spring forks w/shackles, Pierce New Departure coaster brake, Christy saddle
Badge: The Geo. N. Pierce Co., Buffalo
106877 Cushion Shaft Drive ( Richard Smith )
106877 Chainless Menís - collected by David Toppin - Again not sure if he is referring to Richards bike
135320 Cushion Chain driven model - believed to be a 1903/4? ( Will Cress ) Stamped on Seat tube
135320 Chainless - collected by David ToppinÖNot sure if he is referring to Willís or if this is another Model?
145187 ( Stamped on Seat tube ) Cushion Chain driven model, Shakled nickel spring fork- ( Cabe Owner ) Thought to be 1910
x1492b1 (Stamped on Dropout ) Chain Driven model - Collared seat tube (Redline1968) The Cabe....odd serial number? Thought to be post 1908
152026 Chain Driven - LuxLow Stamped on Dropout
156523 ( Stamped on dropout ) Thought to be Special Racer - missing Special racer plate - Collared seat post, Buffalo Badge. Kirk Thomas - the cabe ( thought to be orig. purchased in 1914 )
165302 Man's c1900 Ö.collected by David Toppin
165509 - Model 110 Special Racer ( Carey Williams ) stamped on dropout
165509 Special Racer Manís ..Collected by David Toppin - not sure if he is referring to Careyís bike
166682 Model 121. Pierce Cycle Co, Buffalo badge. ( dfa252 ) stamped on dropout

170381 Racer Badge is Pierce Cycle Co., Buffalo ( Jeff Powell )
178873 (stamped on drop out) Frank Kramer Special (twowheelfan) the Cabe
180173 Chain driven , Pace bike with Lap bell - type 4 Buffalo badge ( Gary - Gkeep ) The cabe
185513 ( stamped on drop out ) Tom ( Tommydale1950) The cabe

--------------------------------------------------------------- ( Angola Badged )
( in theory when Emblem bought out Pierce and changed badge in 1918 )

255073 ( Stamped on BB ) Frank Kramer Special (PKS) Professional Track Racer, Lugged / BSA Chainring, Angola Badged ( Cabe Owner ) The Cabe
256237 Pierce SBBR ( Carlitos ) considered to be a 1922 model
263054 Frank Kramer Special (PKS) Professional Track Racer Model Lugged ( Kccomet ) The Cabe
303434 Frank Kramer Special (PKS ) Lugged / BSA Chainring, Chrome (Nickel?) plated frame ( Dweber ) The Cabe
320717 Frank Kramer Special (PKS) Nickel Frame, Lugged Head ( Cabe Owner ) The Cabe

Edited by - Will Cress on 06/21/2016 10:20:51
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